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Blueprint folders and subgrids

Discussion in 'General' started by oleando, Jul 2, 2018.

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  1. oleando Apprentice Engineer

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    Considering multigrid projections are a No-No... for now... What about making blueprint folders to store Subgrids and avoid cluttering the blueprint list?
    Also is there at least in plan, the option to assemble multigrids without being forced to make a ton of subgrids saves?
    Also couldn't the projector itself get reworked?
    Or simply couldn't we get a copy/paste machine at this point to create multigrid ships but with a cost multiplier for the sake of balance?
     
  2. Dax23333 Junior Engineer

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    I'd very much like to be able to at least select the subgrid with the projector. Currently anything on a subgrid is flat out un-buildable and you might as well have not bothered to blueprint it.
     
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  3. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    How about secondary versions of rotors and pistons with projectors in the rotor and piston heads? Make them a little more expensive than the plain ones. It would be slightly annoying to have to save subgrids individually. But the end result would be able to complete the full build.

    If they wanted to make it more convenient, being able to select sub-grids from the blueprint would make things more convenient. But this would be a viable solution for me. Comments welcome.
     
  4. GrindyGears Senior Engineer

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    Part of the issue with projecting and building subgrids is you can have certain dependencies from grid to grid that will not be met when actively building something.

    Just for the sake of argument think of a cranes boom, you have 3 basic parts, being the base, the boom, and the piston to operate it.

    You'd obviously build the base first, but if you build either the boom or the piston one's going to fall down because there's nothing supporting it. (Mutually supporting eachother by geometry)

    The only solution I see to scenarios like that is to suspend physics while in progress, but I'm sure that'd be exploited in no time at all.

    So aside from a technical issue its also a logistics issue in many cases
     
  5. ShadedMJ Apprentice Engineer

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  6. Roxette Senior Engineer

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    Ship blueprints...

    First introduced October 2, 2014 https://forum.keenswh.com/threads/update-01-050-blueprints.7115815/

    Folders for blueprints...

    First suggested November 8, 2014 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/blueprint-grouping-folders.7164052/

    Next thread January 16, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/folders-for-blueprints.7252809/

    again February 13, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/blueprint-folders.7294624/

    again April 16, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/blueprint-sub-folders.7357878/

    again August 6, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/blueprint-management-folders-etc.7365814/

    again November 5, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/blueprint-folders.7372209/

    again December 26, 2015 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/folders-in-blueprint-menu.7377280/

    February 13, 2016 : https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/folders.7379900/

    ... there's more threads, as well as it being raised dozens of times in update threads and elsewhere... but you get the picture.

    Has there ever been a response from a Keen representative ? Not that I have seen. Is it on the list of things to do as part of the final polishing once all the major bugs are dealt with ? We just don't know. The blueprint storage system is not obfuscated in any way, it's nothing more than a subdirectory structure clearly identifiable. Anybody with the most basic computer literacy skills should be able to devise their own workaround for this deficiency.
     
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  7. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    I remember the days of “blueprints.” Actually, I saw very few actual blueprints in my early engineering days (white lines with a blue background), but rather “blueline” reproductions. I remember the reek of ammonia from the blueline machine (don’t remember the machine’s name). Now everything is CAD and usually printed on ledger-sized paper (11 x 17), but many still call them blueprints. I call them drawings.
     
  8. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    May have been a lithograph. I think that's what they called them. Used a chemical to fix the image to the paper. Xerox's big deal was doing the same thing without liquids (and the smell ;)).
     
  9. Roxette Senior Engineer

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    Lithography is the common transfer printing process using ink, the system Spiff is referring to is a whiteprint aka diazotype process where the original engineering drawing on translucent drafting paper is placed in contact with a specially coated paper and exposed to UV light, then fixed by exposure to ammonia in solution or vapour, hence the odour :) I've not seen one for years, though they're probably still in use in places that haven't migrated to CAD.
     
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  10. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    Yup, now that you mention it, it was a diazotype machine. We associated the ammonia smell with excellent productivity!! :woot:
     
  11. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    Yeah. I was trying to remember the name (brand) of the machine. It wouldn't have been Lithograph, though :)

    That was back when copy paper was the sheet you put between papers so you could make copies.
     
  12. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    Or a full cat-box.
     
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