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Oh those Barbarians... how you deal with them?

Discussion in 'General' started by Cetric, Feb 15, 2017.

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How do you deal with Barbarians?

  1. I hide from them.

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  2. I seek melee and I do well in it.

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  3. I use distance weapons (gladly I have bolts).

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  4. Which Barbarian?? I am the Barbarian!

    7.7%
  5. I know a supertrick against them and I will tell here.

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  1. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    I am really bad at defending against those culturally advanced 'Barbarians' coming to me in chain mail lusting to destroy things and kill my character. In most fights I succumb, so I try to use distance weapons to defend myself. That is, the crossbow and throwing heavy things on their heads. That is the way I achieved most of my kills, if any at all.
    I had the Barbarians switched off in my world settings because they were so annoying. As I had to concentrate on other things like advancing in technology and getting ore.
    Unfortunately, since the coming of iron, I ran out of bolts for the crossbow and there is no way of getting new ammunition yet. So this defense method got obliterate. Thought I still have the 'drop stuff on them' concept.
    So recently, I dared switch on my misbehaving friends, the Barbarians, who immediately came to pay their respects. Not one, not two, but three guys in fancy byrnies. My place had a stone wall, thanks to Keen Holyness, so I could keep them out. I climbed on the stone wall with my pockets full of timbers, logs and stones. I kept dropping things on them. They were sometimes literally covered with timbers.
    But they don't die anymore (or my altitude is insufficient, just one block) or wear invisible helmets. My method does not work. I had to go into melee just to find out I still succumb as if I were a little girl.

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    (1) I see there is no advantage in using a sword. In fact it should be stronger in combat than mace or axe.
    (2) Combat seems erratic. You strike and just hope you hit him. Seldom you seem to hit, even with said superior weapon you won't scratch much of his chain mail while he places hit after hit on your leather apron and skull cap. I would wish for a combat system as seen in 'Mount and Blade Warband' years ago, where you can direct your blows better, and where is a blocking system, which lets me ask for a shield.
    I tried to do a little timing but to no avail. I just succumb and die. Again and Again. And each time one sword of my supply is gone. After the first group a second pack of three Barbarians came within some minutes (!). They must have accumulated over this period while I had them switched off, or what??
    Enough! I can't deal with it. My only answer to this will be I switch them off again. It's too frustrating without crossbow being under constant attack of whole groups.
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    My other claim is on high mountains with steep slopes and I thought about installation of logs which could be set loose and roll down the slope for killing advancing Barbarians, but this idea won't work as logs disappear while laying around on the ground, making it impossible to store their kinetic energy in place.
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    So how are you dealing with this annoyance? You have better combat statistics? What is your trick to fight them?
     
  2. SaturaxCZ Senior Engineer

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    I dont fight with them, its best strategy how win a battle. +They are slow so... again no reason fight if you dont want

    Dig ditch around your home + this:


    Barbarians are stupid and when you open bridge it will fall on them and kill them.
     
  3. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    I also was thinking of making a ditch around my area. However, I have to stroll around in the landscape for finding resources and can be surprised there any minute. And it feels... hm... embarassing to be a landclaimer => landowner => Lord and not being able to fight with decent chance some bad guys who don't like the new neighbor.
     
  4. Ghostickles Senior Engineer

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    There are more than a few ways to dispatch the Bar bar.
    For melee I use good old fashioned hit and run.
    I get a bit of distance, charge, swing and get out of the way before they can swing back. Standing and fighting man to man usually gets me killed too; block does not seem to do anything.
    They are too slow and stupid overall to be a serious threat; except to wood. They still hate wood. You can use this.
    If you get a Bar Bar to chase you may notice he only goes so far, stops and then goes after something else, usually wood.
    Make a wood practice dummy and use it as Bar bar bait. While they hit the worthless wood you can run up from behind and pound their skull in.
     
  5. Forcedminer Senior Engineer

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  6. SaturaxCZ Senior Engineer

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    Then start practic with sword, barbarians are easy to kill when you know how. ( basicaly they charge in line and have 2 animations... its not like you must think if he will hit from sides or strike, faint, parry, roll, kick, atc... :tu: )
     
  7. Monkworks Trainee Engineer

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    my experience with the barbs is that their morons... running in place at your front door... probably some of the dumbest AI i have ever come across in a game. A method i use is to create a pit..the barbs will fall in 100% of the time. I have a shooting gallery just above the pit and a way to collect their drops. no their just another resource like wheat..
     
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  8. Taemien Apprentice Engineer

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    One fix that needs to happen is barbs should not spawn on claimed land. Its a bit annoying when one (or a few) spawns inside of walls.
     
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  9. Ghostickles Senior Engineer

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    This is true. Its stupidly annoying when they spawn inside the walls.
    Excuse me, did you even knock?
     
  10. Forcedminer Senior Engineer

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    do they tend to unpredictability spastically move left and right while on approach?

    their ai sounds alot like the wolfs of se. :p
     
  11. torgo Apprentice Engineer

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    I had them on, and got very good at fighting them with a sword. But now, because they are more annoying then a challenge (and I've filled a chest with the meat they drop) I just switched them off.
     
  12. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    Any fencing techniques beyond blindly dishing out?? You do the "hit and run" tactic mentioned by @Ghosticles ?
     
  13. torgo Apprentice Engineer

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    I guess it's kind of hit and run. The best way to win a sword fight is to not be where the business end of the other guys' sword is. I'd usually dodge left or right. I play with a trackball, so it was pretty easy to just slide my thumb a little to re-aim and then swing. I do wish those guys would occasionally drop the chain mail shirts they wear.

    Also, don't aim for the head. Aim for center of mass. There's a much better chance you'll score a hit. From what I found, it was first to 3 hits wins.

    Oh, and always keep a bandage on your hot bar. If he nails you with a 2nd hit, use it and get healed up. There are some foods that help heal, too. I know bread is pretty decent, but I haven't tested the other meals too much.
     
  14. Bumber Junior Engineer

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    Hit and run, or spam attack while they're busy trying to attack the stairs to my house (which they're too dumb to simply walk up.)
     
  15. Stori3D Past Productions Apprentice Engineer

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    I set up a wooden platform near where I'm working that I can go run and jump onto. The barbarians are too stupid to jump up on it. So I just jump up, let them come near, and then attack them from my high ground.

    Usually they're so busy attacking the platform that I kill them without taking any hits.
     
  16. halipatsui Senior Engineer

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    Barbarian kebab?
     
  17. kitsunelegendXx Trainee Engineer

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    Usually the way I deal with them is:

    1) Begin building wall/window/door/ect.
    2) Hear banging sound like a hammer.
    3) Turn around and see ugly bald guy staring at me and screaming at me while swinging a giant club with spikes at me.
    4) Start running away while screaming like a little girl for my best friend to come and save me from the mean men. :woot:
    *Optional 5) Die a horrible death by being bashed over the head by a mace from behind. :p
     
  18. MorshuArtsInc Trainee Engineer

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    I rarely get visited by barbarians. It's usually just one single bloke that really, really seems to hate my spinning wheel. My usual tactic is to place a bolt in his chest cavity and then bash him with my mace a few times while running circles around him. Either he misses me or I miss him, but in the end it's always him who's lying in the dust. I actually like the barbarian encounters because they deliver iron, tools and haute cuisine for free.
    I wish that Keen one day reimplements the throwing mechanic one day...
    Back in the olden days, I also used to make myself a flail: just a timber, a hook and a small stone projectile attached with a rope. You would pick up the timber wiggle your mouse a little so that the stone would start to spin. It would build up enormous kinetical energy with which you could shatter anyone's skull (inluding your own if you were uncareful/unlucky).
    With just two large projectiles connected with a rope, if thrown in an olympic hammer throwing style, you could even tear down whole castles!
    Sadly, they've fixed both...
     
  19. Captain Amazing Trainee Engineer

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    Step one: Arm yourself with crossbow.
    Step two: Get Barbar to chase you.
    Step three: Get range on open ground. Stop and face approaching Barbar.
    Step four: Aim (place cursor) just above Barbar. Wait for Barbar. He comes straight at you 90% of the time.
    Step five: When Barbar gets close and cursor is at the base of his neck, fire.
    Step six: Run past Barbar until you hear 'click' of crossbow resetting.
    Step seven: Repeat steps 4 and 5. Two hits with a crossbow kills them. They never get close enough to swing a weapon.
    Step eight: Profit!

    With practice (and they'll give you plenty!) you can take on groups of three, and drop them where you want them for easy looting. It's much harder in forests, where they duck around trees and don't come straight at you, but on open ground they run right under your cursor. Easy peasy.
     
  20. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    Since iron ore, metal processing and the need to develop first technology for being able to create bolts for the crossbow came into the game, I was not able to shoot any more. Yesterday finally had my first *new* bolts created and became capable of any tactics again which involves distance weapon (as we have just one). So your method allows to depend solely on the crossbow without need of any melee.
    However, if even I appreciate this method, I should mention that #step six# I would call ahistorical, thus I would recommend our developers to change the handling of the crossbow in such way, that you can only reload it when you are standing still. Being able to reload and running at the same time do not mix, in reality. I found a good picture for showing the different methods for loading. Crossbowmen needed their own body weight for reloading, or an auxiliary apparatus, as seen here: (None of them could be done while running)

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    Larger ones (siege crossbows) even needed a crank mechanism the soldier carried with him and stuck on the shaft for cranking and reloading (upper right figure). A metal spring is very resistant to bend back and hard to get pulled back manually. You expect maximum kinetic energy being stored. For a price in the handling, that is. This is were the advantage of a classic bow comes in, its speed in "reloading" outperfoms the crossbow. And a bow you could span even while running. Yes, we could use a bow in the game. :) Faster, but a little less deadly in puncture.
     
  21. Taemien Apprentice Engineer

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    Did you all know you can reload a crossbow manually?

    Say you have the crossbow in slot 2. When you fire the crossbow, you can wait for it to reload on its own. Or you can press 2 to reload immediately. If you Click, Button, Click, Button, ect you can actually rapid fire the crossbow. You don't need to wait for the reload.
     
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