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Update 1.192 - Economy

Discussion in 'Change Log' started by Drui, Aug 22, 2019.

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  1. chrisb Senior Engineer

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    I reckon you can make a whole SP world using the economy update and what is already in game. I'm setting about altering some outposts to take my larger ship. Once a world is setup, there is no reason why you couldn't play as SP, I'm going to and enjoy it to boot.. The outposts are random so you will have to alter them as you come across them. But I assume they stay where they are once spawned. Flying along you will see the factions, so decide if you want to have a peaceful game or more pew, pew. I prefer peaceful, but with a little conflict.

    I'm not sure if outposts spawn on mod planets yet, but they certainly do on stock ones.

    My idea is to make a world as I originally was all those years back. Finally its worthwhile doing so for SP. The world can be as large as you like, just be prepared to alter stations/outposts or whatever to take larger ships. They already would take fairly large ships but the challenge is there for larger.. ;)

    This is a great addition to the game and it does make the game feel occupied now (at last). It's really only what ED use, but we get the behind the scenes view of things. In essence, your building your own space game.
    Set each port of call up as you want them, shield and landing wise etc.

    Make the world and play..

    I'm thinking the more outposts within your game, the more contracts to be had, plus things to do. I can see a whole lot of gameplay here.. Just got to use your imagination.. O.k. partly your god, in that you can alter things (behind the scenes), but once altered just play it as it comes. Set yourself targets, it's exactly like most other space games, other than you don't see the enemy in person, but you don't in many other space games anyway.

    Your still going to have pew, pew (if you want it), and via contracts.. Haul, search/locate, bounty hunt, buy, sell, escort, etc etc.. What more do you want. That is only a quick look I had.. ;) Not sure what else is in there. Plus mods, can you imagine what some modders might do with this... :D



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    Might as well put this here to. Simple twin bed cabin setup. These cabins go side by side without needing a further block. So quite space saving really.
     
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  2. RkyMtnDude Apprentice Engineer

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    Spiffman,.... So here's where I am at with SE after almost 8k hours. I am bored. MP is ok but since voxels reveal underground bases and I am tired of people ganking my stuff while I am offline I have been trying to get into SP mode. So, may have been you or someone else who was playing some form of SP survival with limitations... Not sure what it was. But it inspired me.
    I am currently playing a SP session on Earth-like. Here's the catch. I will not mine. I refuse to as an added challenge. Everything I get has to be from a grid i encounter or something I buy.
    Right out of the gate, I land. Well... as you know, without any ore/ingots it becomes a challenge to do pretty much anything. So... I took the data pad and found a treading station 35k away. I get there and find it is only a ship seller. So I buy what I can afford, A rover. Spent all day getting back to the lander via that rover after a few crashes. Bad terrain/bad driver mix. But I made it. So then shortly later I realized I needed materials still and the drop pods were not helping me too much.
    I went back to the station in hopes that they had ANY components. Nope. But I managed to get about 12 data pads (some replenished while I was there) So now I have twelve stations I can go to... some day. 10 are in space. LOL. Only 2 more were on planet and closest one is 80k away. I do not have but one hydrogen tank. (died and lost one that came with my lander so am on the one that came with my rover). Trick is... I am 35k away from my grids and no hydrogen. Cannot refill at the trading station so I can only replenish the suit energy. SO. a long walk home. :sigh:
    NOTE: I changed my mind a little. I do NOW allow myself ONE mining exception. I can hand drill the above ground rock deposits.. You know, those little chunks on the surface? So that may help but they seem to be very few and far between anymore so that is ok.
    Key thing to note here is that my little rover should have most if not all the materials I need flesh out a small and semi-effective transport ship. Once I can get established near a better trading station then I think I can get more traction and maybe get the materials to get to space. We'll see.
    Point is... I am trying as much as possible to rely only on things found and what I can trade for.
     
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  3. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    @RkyMtnDude, I appreciate the insight. I, too, really enjoy the challenge of surviving, especially when starting "naked." I'm also looking forward to building some new scenarios that utilize the new capabilities, but I'll need to play with them a bit to establish some starting ideas. My scenarios tend to lean toward the hardcore side (i.e., that "naked" thing again), but lately I've been trying to work out some easier start situations. We'll see how it all unfolds sometime next week when I get back to it.
     
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  4. [XGN] XLency Trainee Engineer

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    The point of the game is to have fun. You can't do that when shit is breaking down every other week. Yes, every time there is an update bugs are to be expected, but that's exactly what the problem is. There are bugs EVERY UPDATE. Even EA doesn't come close to this level of incompetence. The one thing I can say about Keen is when they reaaaallly get turds thrown at them, they react to it. I'm glad hotfixes are being pushed which is something more I can say about Keen than EA, but at the same time Keen manages to break the simplest of things. A few months ago they broke anti-missile targeting. That's been in the game almost since day ONE. How they manage to break something so essential to gameplay that's been around for ages so completely honestly astonishes me. Guess what, this game has been around for years and I'm not the only one who wants to host a server. There are hundreds of other people in the same boat as I am. If they don't want servers being made, then don't make the fucking dedicated server option available. People can host their shit through Steam. As for your "thousands of people," nearly everyone was going batshit crazy in the Discord yesterday night. I love Space Engineers as much as you do, and I agree it's got something real impressive. It's the only Space sandbox game that I actually play. But at the same time, there's so much shit breaking down. When we DO show Keen what they did wrong, they take ages unless they've royally fucked the entire playerbase.
     
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  5. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    Woot! I already hit the Millionaire Club!!
    (Single Player) if that helps you any @Spaceman Spiff :)
     
  6. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    Thing is, your experience here has not been shared by the majority, myself included. The game runs fine for me. Any problems I am experiencing were present before the update. My current session has about three hundred mods in it and they are all working.

    I don't know that Steam has ever been able to handle the rush when SE gets a major update. The economy update is pretty darn popular, and the skins seemed to have put things over the top. Lot's of people started downloading the second the update went live. Most people experienced some sort of difficulty, myself included. The problem was for the most part Steam's, not Keen's.

    People going batshit crazy here, on discord, or anywhere else is not an indication of what's happening with the game. If I was someone that frequented discord, I may have been tempted to post something negative after repeated attempts to load my last save failed. Fortunately I don't live on discord so I didn't get in on the panic. I was watching the official Keen stream and a number of people complained that they didn't get a skin or texture, but no one to my knowledge said their game was broken. You say you left SE for a while, so you may not be aware of procedures they have put in place to help sort out and eliminate bugs. It seems to be working because I have not experienced an update-related problem since 1.186.. Prior to that, standard procedure for me was to do a mod purge after loading an update. The "Keen broke my server" posts have long since disappeared around here. You might want to go on Twitch and ask those people that are playing the game what they're doing right. My guess is that they exercised a bit of patience ;)

    They DO want servers being made. It's my opinion that now is not the time to be hosting a server, because of all the things that still can go wrong. Anyone that understands the current state of the game and chooses to host a server must also understand it's not always going to go well. That's why they made "Experimental Mode." That's why none of the official servers run in "Experimental Mode." The game doesn't break every other week any more because they don't touch it for months at a time now.

    The game has plenty of problems. We all know it. They know it. There's no need to inflate anything ;)
     
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  7. [XGN] XLency Trainee Engineer

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    The game runs fine now because they just pushed a hotfix. Before that, as I clearly stated, everyone was losing their mind in the official Discord for Keen. So you want to talk about the majority? Join their Discord and ask how pissed everyone gets when something breaks. It was both Steam's and Keen's fault for not setting up a better process in which to push these actual updates. I love how you say the majority of players don't feel the same way as I do, but then you say you "don't live on Discord" and such, so that pretty much says you have nothing to back your argument with and you have no way of knowing how the majority ACTUALLY feels. Like the game? Fine. I do too, but the exploding bugs are getting annoying. You're confusing me saying the game is broken with "the game was broken from day one." Again, as I've said many times now, prior to the 2018 August update, everything was fine for me. You talk about exercising patience, yet I've been doing that for about a year now. Patience isn't the issue here. The "Keen broke my server" posts are STILL coming up because people like ME who are trying to host a server keep encountering problems. Not sure where you're getting any of your information, but I browse Steam discussions and forums here on Keen's site and see many posts regarding server-related bugs. You just have to know what you're looking for. People going batshit crazy about an update breaking something is a PERFECT indication of what's happening with the game. If nearly 90% of your community is bitching because of a recent update, then you KNOW something's wrong (which again, they fixed.) Experimental mode for servers was a good idea, yes. But then what the Hell is the point of making an experimental mode NOT to experiment with it, as the name would suggest. Fix it, poke around with it, but don't BREAK it. In any case, now my game seems to be running fine after the hotfix. Now I'm just waiting on a response to some server-related bugs.
     
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  8. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    I started a new game, starting from scratch.... I feel so lost lol the early game has changed so much since last time I played.
     
  9. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    I'm looking forward to trying it out. Another couple days.
     
  10. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    One major gripe that was not present the last time I played SE, the game now separates save files for Offline Steam / vs / Online Steam..

    I played the game for a few hours with Steam offline, saved my game and closed it... then later went to play with Steam online and the game didn't show my save file, I then looked in the save file location.

    C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Saves

    And the offline save file was located within a 13 number folder, and it had created another folder with 17 numbers for online steam... I then moved the save file from the offline folder to the online folder and I could then load my save file with steam online.

    Please Fix This Keen... it was not like this before, this is annoying.
     
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  11. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    @KissSh0t maybe they started doing it that way to help lessen pirated copies of the game??? Dunno but yeah is frustrating especially for those with poor internet providers who seem to be down more than they are up. :)
     
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  12. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    It's not going to do anything to "lessen" pirated copies, all this does is annoy legitimate owners of the game.

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  13. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    @KissSh0t That was just a theory about making it harder for pirate copies, I am really not sure why it was done. It was just the first thing that popped in my head. I guess because I work in cyber security I assume things are done to stop the bad guys. :)
     
  14. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    I guess the best way to combat piracy is to make a good product and sell it at a compelling price :woot:

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    Finally made it to the station that it points to go on earth like planet, but when I went inside I started suffocating... that's kind of silly to have a building on earth like planet pressurized with no oxygen inside.
     
  15. Rebmes Trainee Engineer

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    I'm literally waiting for the base game to be fixed up a bit before even thinking about buying DLC.

    In Star System, I like to start on the planet; unfortunately, small ship large atmospheric thruster is nearly unusable due to it barely providing enough thrust to even lift itself, let alone any ship you might use it on. Heck every time I play something's broken - for example, I built a mining station with rotating drills - but after a lot of testing, we discovered that leaving the area (un-loading in a way) caused the systems to malfunction and the whole thing to tear itself apart. Then, there are the millions of headaches and bugs and glitches surrounding wheels and ground vehicles overall, not to mention how hard it is to use when it does work.

    If pistons / rotors / other such mechanisms worked reliably, and stuff like broken thrusters was actually looked at once in awhile, I'd be all in on this new DLC stuff. As it stands, Space Engineers is starting to look like Ark - lots of new content, but the base game gets neglected.
     
  16. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    These ones? they seem to be working for me.

    If Space Engineers had AI like Ark that would kind of be amazing.

    Actually, if Space Engineers had AI characters at all that would be amazing.

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  17. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    Told you ;)
    Base game is the only thing they're working on. DLC stuff comes mostly from the Art Department. Those folks don't work on fixing the game but they obviously have plenty to contribute. DLC funds further game fixing, so many of us buy it just to support the effort. It's not required though. I have not indulged in the last two DLC offerings. Didn't see anything I had to have. I might change my mind later.
    Good News! Pistons/rotors/other such mechanisms will never be "reliable". Go ahead and take that DLC cash you've been hoarding and buy that Big Mac.

    Thing is, though, that players often expect more than these items can deliver. When they don't do what they can't, they're labeled "broken". All these parts have specifications as to how much force they can apply, how much power they need, etc. Vanilla limits are fairly low in order to avoid clang. Rotors, especially, were designed to work in zero gravity. I invariably find myself using modded pistons/rotors and such.

    People tend to expect a LOT from atmospheric thrusters. No one has ever seen (or ever will see) a flying miner, but they're common in Space Engineers. If I had a nickel for every time I watched someone build and then fly a miner to an ore deposit, only to find that they don't have enough thrust to fly the loaded miner back to base. That's a problem I've never had with a wheeled miner.

    The "engineering" part of this game is not pointing out your frustrations. It's finding solutions ;)
     
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  18. Burstar Apprentice Engineer

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    SE is most certainly not running 'fine'. 2000+ unresolved bug reports. Half that because the duplicate to valid report has been ~1:1 means ~1000 genuine bugs. Fine my arse.

    Can you reliably make a basic static platform to produce things? Sure. Anything more complex and you start seeing the Keenery shine through. It's not difficult if you know what you're looking for, especially in MP. I can't believe how low peoples standards are for this. You need to forget how bad it was 1-6 years ago and just look at what is supposedly a finished product. The turd may be polished but it still stinks.
     
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  19. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    @Burstar if you hate it so much stop playing it. Just sayin. I don't think anyone has said the game is perfect. Name another Space game like SE that is perfect.... yeah there are none. Emp has it's issues, Planet Nomads has them, No Man's Sky...forget the name of the others... so I don't know what standard you are holding Keen to..but take a look they are more active than any of the game devs of the games I have mentioned, they are working to get things right. "But it is a finished product and should be perfect." 2 of the 3 I mentioned are "finished products" and full of bugs the same as SE or worse.

    Not trying to be a fan boy, but you and another like yourself all you all ever do is post snarky remarks. Again don't like it, the easy solution is not to play.

    If you are trying to get a rise out of Keen, you should know by now the "important people" of Keen very rarely check the forums, and I doubt the PR guy gives your comments any thought to passing on up the line just from your sheer salty attitude. (I am not saying the PR guy isn't important, but pretty sure he can't snap his fingers and the game is "fixed to your liking".)
     
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  20. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    Space Engineers or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bugs.

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  21. RkyMtnDude Apprentice Engineer

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    Yep.. Space Engineers. If ya love it, Something is wrong with you.
    If you hate it, Something is wrong with you.
    It's like a pile of cardboard, a knife, and glue. You are only limited by your imagination. er, you are only limited by the physics of cardboard and the amount of glue you have...
    UM, you just cut yourself with a box cutter. "Hmmm... No band-aids!" <uses glue>

    I still contend that if it worked perfectly it would suck.. Somehow, it's the little broken things that make it all the more exciting.

    "Damn... Just flipped my rover AGAIN!!!" <Rage Quits>
     
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  22. KissSh0t Master Engineer

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    I finally made it to space for the first time since the Economy update and come across my first "NPC"... I was a little disappointed there was no one in the ship :<

    It would be so awesome if there was actually another Engineers in the ship, to look him in the...... visor... before he killed me... lol.

    My ship has no weapons...i... I died..

    Really hope keen polishes npc more, this has added whole new layer to the game for me, if there were actually "Engineer" characters in the game, that actually interacted with the player in various ways, especially these pirate ones, that would be the creme de la creme.

    I wonder what the military npc would be like, I haven't seen a drifting mine layer yet, are they still in the game?

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  23. Burstar Apprentice Engineer

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    I don't play it. I haven't since out of EA announcement. My goal is to refute anyone who says the game is 'fine' or 'amazing'. All those games that are out there with issues exist for exactly this reason: if enough people say 'Poggers this game is teh amazing' the company gets away with selling junk. Software publishers know this which is big part of why they pay for a PR guy in the first place.

    I can't speak to those other games. I didn't buy them precisely because they had issues that were made very clear by reviews etc. A behaviour that needs to start trending more because otherwise what publishers deem acceptable software will only get worse. KSH is a glaring example of this. Miner Wars should have been a clear lesson and unfortunately it wasn't and that's why I'm trying to get a rise out of the overly tolerant community so Keen finally smartens up.

    It's not that KSH make mistakes (everyone does), it's that they make them carelessly and constantly and in the real world incompetence should not be rewarded plain and simple. Praise anywhere along the lines of "it has it's issues, but, I enjoy the game despite them" is inoffensive to me. Calling SE 'amazing' or 'fine/np' is either inexperience, self delusion, or at worst dishonesty.

    If they don't want to hear my complaints and want to solve the issue in a fair and open manner they could either start fixing the bugs faster than they add them instead of trying to fleece the fan boys, or reimburse me for my purchase. I'm not holding my breath for either.
     
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  24. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    The eternal rant faction called me as early as 2017 in this forum a fanboi, and today I still have no problem calling SE 'amazing'. :) Probably because I spent more than two years with it, and still going strong. There... must be... something amazing... in it...
    Your choice, if it is inexperience, self delusion or dishonesty. I don't care about the tag.
     
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  25. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    You don't like the game. You think Keen is selling junk. So you're just here to troll people who like the game.

    That's pretty sad. You should find another game and spend your time playing that.
     
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  26. Burstar Apprentice Engineer

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    You know why you have np calling it 'amazing'? You're in the little bubble where everyone pats you on the back for praising what they praise and nobody calls you on it. Tell me, what is so 'amazing' about SE? What about it makes your jaw drop full of drool because it's so novel and competent?

    Not trolling fanbois, pointing out the flaws in the 'amazing' software they are unwilling to admit to. It is pretty sad I guess. Only thing sadder would be someone deluding themselves for years.

    I never said I didn't like the game as a concept. When I refer to junk, I'm talking about the underlying code, Keen's 'development' process, and their management policy of using customers for free quality control.

    I actually like the game as a concept, for the most part, (and could just mod what I don't except nope bugs) and would be so happy to just be able to play this without the Keenery. Like FFS this should not be too much to ask for within my lifetime.
     
  27. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    Me personally if I think something is junk or I am that disgusted by something someone has made, I dont stay a part of their forums......I wouldn't be constantly posting my distaste over and over... then checking back to see if anyone commented back... Sounds like a classic troll to me.

    If it walks like a troll, talks like a troll and spews out hypocrisy, safe bet it is a troll.
     
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  28. Cetric Junior Engineer

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    I am endlessly building stuff and enjoying it. Isn't that enough? oh well, so it's a "little bubble" now. Cozy bubble, why should I stand outside this engineering bubble with you in the negativist cold? What you have to offer in your frustration environment?`No thanks. :p
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  29. Burstar Apprentice Engineer

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    That's actually my point. If only you could just do that it would be enough, but you can't. Eventually you get to the point where anything you build can't be done, hassle free, because of yet another bug. The fact that you spend so much time in here faffing about how 'amazing' the game is instead of just playing it really discredits your opinion to those of us willing to see it. Worse, you actually just hurt yourself and the game by doing so ie: if SE's good enough there's no reason to fix it. KSH is desperately trying to lower that bar and you're helping them.

    It's very telling when you ask "what is so amazing about SE really?" and all you get are ad hominems or 'it lets me build shtuff'. It lets you play with blocks. Really?
     
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    Can make the same argument on anything. For example:

    "What is so amazing about lungs really?" and all you get are ad hominems they let you breathe.
    They let you breathe. Really?

    See how easy it is to apply your logic to anything? ;)
     
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